"Hey, nature, sorry, but we really need to make money. You're just going to have to compromise with your weird ecosystem somehow. That just doesn't work. Nature is a bad negotiation partner."
Frauke Fischer is an expert in biodiversity, imports coffee and cocoa from Peru, and explains nature using easily graspable imagery. Frauke was on her way to Bern, stopped in Basel, and we used the time to record a podcast. And in this hour, we meander through coffee, cocoa, biodiversity, and back again.
