Standing before us is the Ligre Youn – an espresso machine that looks more like a designer piece of furniture than a classic coffee maker. Indeed, the Youn positions itself as a true design statement and has already won prestigious awards (including Gold at the German Design Award and an iF Design Award).
Our curiosity was accordingly great: an espresso machine in the ~€4,000 league, which appears radically minimalist and advertises innovative technology. Our initial assessment after a few days in the test lab was divided. On the one hand, enthusiasm – the engineering and technical ideas behind the Youn are impressive.
On the other hand, we also felt frustrated: as advanced as the hardware is, we initially felt limited in controlling the machine. In the following review, we will take a detailed look at the Ligre Youn – factually sound, but also with a personal touch from the perspective of two experienced espresso machine testers.
For a review of the matching Ligre Siji espresso grinder with weighing function.
Ligre Youn in a Nutshell
The Ligre Youn is equipped with a thermoblock for heating the brewing water, heating elements in the group for faster heating, and a 0.8 L stainless steel boiler for frothing milk. Two vibratory pumps allow for parallel frothing and brewing.
The Ligre Youn is technically capable of controlling itself with both flow and pressure targets. Three brewing profiles are pre-set, but these cannot be overwritten or edited. The Easy Mode brews one of the three pre-set brewing profiles with precise volumetric control at the push of a button. A smart Guided Mode makes brewing very easy and accessible for all espresso beginners.
This accessibility and simplicity is, for us, the best feature of the Ligre Youn. The second best is the excellent automatic steam wand, which can also be controlled manually. It froths very well both automatically and manually – that's a joy! Less enjoyable is the temperature offset of 3 to 4 degrees. The programmed brewing profiles also do not convince us.
Origin and Manufacturer
Ligre is a new name in the espresso market, but not an unknown manufacturer. Behind the machine is the renowned supplier Gronbach. Gronbach, a German-Austrian family business, has decades of experience in manufacturing high-quality household appliances for well-known manufacturers. With the Ligre brand, they are now taking the step of appearing under their own name and investing their combined know-how into their own product. The Youn is manufactured entirely in Germany and Austria.
The local manufacturing approach (short transport routes, high quality controls) also aligns with the company's sustainability philosophy. It's great to see another espresso machine "Made in DACH" on the market. Ligre positions the Youn as the first stroke of a new product line – accompanied by the matching grind-by-weight espresso grinder "Siji" – aiming at both design-savvy coffee lovers and ambitious home baristas. "Siji" means "one" in Javanese, and "Youn" is derived from the Haitian Creole word "yon," which also means "one." So we can probably expect more machines from this company. A review of the Siji will follow. We have postponed this as important upgrades are yet to be implemented.
Technical Specifications
The Ligre Youn goes all out technically. At its heart is a hybrid heating system: a thermoblock is used for espresso brewing, while a classic boiler is responsible for steam. This combination is designed to combine the best of both worlds – fast heat-up time and temperature stability during brewing thanks to the thermoblock, but also sufficient power and reserves for consistent steam when frothing milk thanks to the boiler. In fact, the machine is ready for operation very quickly after switching on. Ligre officially states only 4 minutes until it's ready to brew. In our test, it actually took about 5–6 minutes until everything was thoroughly heated – still an excellent value compared to the 15+ minutes of many classic heat exchangers or dual boilers.
Two vibratory pumps are installed for parallel operation of the brew group and steam wand. One pump supplies the thermoblock and delivers water to the brew head, the second maintains pressure in the steam boiler or supplies hot water for Americanos or similar. Both pumps are electronically controlled (keyword pressure profiling), so the Youn is capable of pressure and flow profiling. This means, theoretically, pump pressure and flow can be precisely regulated to represent different pressure profiles during espresso extraction. This is supported by two flow meters in the cold water inlet, which also enable volumetric control. In practice, this means: The Youn can dose a predefined amount of water extremely accurately and automatically stop the brewing process. We actually found this precise volumetric control to be exemplary in our test – we could rely on the programmed amount ending up in the cup without always having to check with a scale. For consistency fans and anyone who wants reproducible results at the touch of a button, this is a big plus.
Volumetric control rating: 9 out of 10 points. Only a fully integrated scale could do better.
Temperature of the Ligre Youn
What about the temperature? The brew group (58mm E61-compatible, made of solid brass) has a regulated heating system designed to maintain the target temperature at the brew head. However, our test revealed a temperature offset problem: the brewing temperature set on the display does not match the actual water temperature in the portafilter. Specifically, we found that the actual brewing temperature was approx. 3–4°C lower than the displayed value. For example, 96°C on the display resulted in only about 92–93°C in the coffee puck. This offset was reproducible on two tested devices, leading us to assume that all currently delivered Youn machines exhibit this behavior. Ligre apparently measures at the top of the brew head; by the time the water reaches the bottom, it cools slightly – which explains the difference.
In practice, this means: set the temperature higher! We recommend programming 2–3°C above the actually desired temperature, depending on the situation. For example, if you want approx. 93°C in the puck, you should set 96°C. If you are in a hurry and brew immediately 5–6 minutes after switching on, it is better to choose 97°C; if the machine has been warming up longer, 95–96°C is sufficient. This compensates for the offset and ensures the correct temperature in the cup – even if it is a bit irritating to see significantly higher values on the display temporarily. We very much hope that Ligre will address this issue via a software update, as the hardware has the potential for pinpoint temperature control. The fact that the brewing temperature was apparently never checked according to industrial standards in the portafilter with a Scace temperature measuring portafilter during the development phase leaves us with some questions.
Additionally, due to pre-infusion, a brewing pause, and a sluggish vibratory pump, the Ligre Youn delivers water very slowly. This means that the measuring probe only provides accurate readings after about 10 seconds. Once the Ligre is at flow and pressure, it delivers good values. The standard deviation between extractions then also falls below 1 degree deviation. However, it should be noted that a smaller data set is compared for this than in our classic calculation of the standard deviation from second 4 to 25.
Temperature rating: 9.5 out of 15 points.
Size and Accessories
The Youn, at 45 cm wide, is unusually expansive sideways, yet it's quite slim with a depth of about 30 cm. Its height is around 40 cm, including the raised housing area on the right, which houses the boiler and the display. Weighing around 18 kg, the machine stands stably on the countertop – moving it definitely requires some strength. The casing is made of anodized aluminum in an elegant silver-beige tone (a black version is also available), and the workmanship appears high-quality.
The removable water tank holds 1.6 liters and is hidden at the back of the housing. Clever: It has an integrated handle and can be pulled out for refilling. Less clever: It gets tight under wall cabinets – if you have little space above, it will be difficult to remove the tank, especially since it has to be removed from behind the control knobs. In this case, you might have to refill from the front with a pitcher.
It's somewhat amusing that Ligre itself positions the machine under wall cabinets in some promotional images, where removing the water tank would be at least difficult.
The Youn comes with a 58mm portafilter (double spout), a matching stainless steel tamper, as well as single, double, and blind baskets – solid standard accessories, without any special extras.
The tamper has a 0.65 millimeter gap to the edge of the basket. This is a good value. However, the tamper is less impressive in terms of feel. It doesn't seem to have been designed as a tamper to be pressed from above, but rather as one to be held by the handle like a hammer. A questionable design decision, especially if someone seriously applies 15 kg of pressure, as Ligre recommends in its Guided Mode.
The classic baskets can also be found in the scope of delivery of inexpensive espresso machines several price categories below the Ligre. They are not cylindrical and the holes do not extend to the edge. A sensible upgrade for the machine would be to replace the baskets with precision baskets from VST or our KM professional baskets. The portafilter is chrome-plated brass and well-balanced.
Accessory rating: 3.5 out of 5 points
Hybrid Machine in Terms of Convenience and Heating
The Ligre Youn is a hybrid machine in two respects. On the one hand, it is technically a hybrid machine, and on the other hand, in how it tries to position itself in the intermediate segment between the portafilter espresso machine and the fully automatic coffee machine (piston coffee machine).
Halfway between Portafilter and Fully Automatic
Fully automatic machines offer convenience and freshly ground coffee. A big difference, for example, to capsule machines. Coffee preparation is done at the push of a button and demands nothing from the user. The result in the cup for household automatic machines is 50-70% of the possible quality of the coffee.
The portafilter, on the other hand, is initially complicated. It requires separate grinding and grinder adjustment. Tamping, water quantity, and possibly temperature are parameters that I can influence. The taste potential is 100% depending on the machine, but the potential for failure is also 50% of the possible coffee quality. Anyone who doesn't engage with a classic espresso machine will drink decent coffee, but still won't be satisfied. The feeling then is: you didn't get everything out of it because you didn't know better.
Operation and User Experience
The Ligre Youn aims to satisfy both beginners and advanced users – a balancing act that becomes evident in its operation. There are essentially three modes: Easy Mode, Guided Mode, and Nerd Mode.
However, the different modes are all not far apart, and access to control options is limited everywhere.
The Guided Mode takes you, the user, by the hand and explains more or less precisely which steps you should take to prepare an espresso. It asks if you want to grind the coffee yourself, suggests a quantity depending on the basket, and finally, after you have clicked through the flowing text, starts the brewing. While the instructions are functional and could be improved, the strength of the mode and one of the machine's greatest strengths begins with the brewing. If the Ligre Youn encounters coffee that is ground too coarsely, or if pre-ground coffee was actually used, the Youn regulates its flow downwards. This prevents the water from rushing through the coffee grounds at full speed, and the coffee becomes significantly better than with an "unrestrained pass-through extraction." To tie back to the image drawn above: the espresso will achieve approximately 70% quality, which would be possible with a well-adjusted and functioning fully automatic coffee machine. The Ligre can do this due to sensitive sensors that detect when the coffee is running too fast. This function in this quality is almost unique on the market. Few other machines can do this as well. It is suboptimal that the Ligre resorts to one of the brewing profiles to be discussed.
In Easy Mode, we skip the introductory text, select a Sensory Profile, and start brewing. The Sensory Profile is one of three selectable brewing profiles, all of which begin with pre-infusion, a selectable long brewing pause, and then proceed with the profile. In Easy Mode, the machine stops when the programmed fill volume is reached.
The Nerd Mode allows the same settings as in Easy Mode. And honestly, no others. The only additional function in Nerd Mode is that you have to end the brew yourself and get a more detailed display. The display now shows you the amount of coffee already brewed, the current pressure, and the milliliters per second being brewed. More precisely, Nerd Mode is a Nerd-Display Mode. I have no access to flow or other parameters – certainly not during brewing. The mode is activated by pulling the button instead of pressing it.
So far so good, one might think. We don't have to control everything if what is programmed is convincing. However, what we already observed with the poor temperature setting is repeated with the brewing profiles from which we MUST choose.
Volumetric Control Rating: In the volume-controlled modes, the Ligre's accuracy is excellent. Despite different flows, we only measure deviations of a maximum of one gram from the programmed target quantity. This can only be surpassed by an integrated scale and leads to 9 out of 10 possible points in our rating.
Brew Profiles and Pre-infusion – Wasted Potential
Here's the sticking point: The Ligre Youn offers three pre-programmed brew profiles, "Mellow Morning," "Vibrant Vigor," and "Brilliant Bolt," which promise different pre-infusions and pressure curves. In practice, however, these presets prove to be underdeveloped in terms of coffee technology.
Mellow Morning works with only 2ml of pre-infusion, Vibrant Vigor with about 8ml, and Brilliant Bolt with around 16ml. When we first heard this, we thought: 2ml pre-infusion per second - great! 8ml per second - oh, interesting. 16ml per second - a bit crazy. But when we started working with the machine, we realized: no - that's the total amount of pre-infusion water…
In our opinion, these amounts are far too small to wet the coffee puck truly evenly. Effective pre-infusion should involve approximately 1.5 to 2 grams of water per gram of coffee to fully saturate the coffee grounds. For a typical double shot with, for example, 16g of coffee grounds, around 24–32ml of water would be needed to completely saturate the puck – values that are far from the Ligre profiles.
The consequence: a large part of the coffee powder remains dry even during pre-infusion. The subsequent extraction encounters inhomogeneously moistened coffee, which can lead to channeling and uneven extraction. In short, the machine limits itself here and does not fully exploit the possible flavor potential of the coffee.
Additionally, all three profiles use a brewing pause which, in our opinion, is superfluous in this form. We can hardly think of a reason why a brewing pause would be useful at all when preparing espresso. With a machine that builds up flow and pressure so slowly at the beginning of a brew, the brewing pause seems even more out of place. Especially when not all the coffee is even wet. Then the already wet coffee works during the brewing pause, while most of the coffee in the portafilter has not even come into contact with water. We set the brewing pause to the lowest possible time to minimize damage to the extractions.
When brewing filter coffee, we often use a brewing pause. This allows the CO2 produced by roasting to escape. In a closed system like the portafilter, however, this is not possible and would not please crema aficionados in particular.
Speaking of pre-infusion. Vibratory pumps inherently have a much slower pressure build-up than rotary pumps. We at least question the necessity of pre-infusion. If it is performed, it should wet all the coffee relatively quickly without pressure during the pre-infusion time.
What do the profiles do after pre-infusion and brewing pause?
Brilliant Bolt even goes beyond the set brewing pressure, according to the manufacturer, to 9 bar and then reduces the pressure by 1 bar after a few seconds. We initially measured a pressure between 9.5 and 10 bar, followed by a reduction to 8.5 to 9 bar.
In our tests, this behavior caused the coffee puck to be literally "shot through" in some extractions – often resulting in severe channeling and an unbalanced taste. We therefore mostly opted for Mellow Morning, as this profile, with the lowest pre-infusion water volume and shortest pause, is also not ideal, but it disturbs the coffee puck the least.
Overall, the Youn's pre-programmed brewing profiles are disappointing and waste much of the machine's technical potential. Here, we would wish for significantly more generous and customizable pre-infusion options – such as a profile with ~24 - 32 ml pre-infusion, moderate pressure build-up (e.g., up to 8 bar), and subsequent reduced flow. The machine's hardware could do all of this, but the software (still) doesn't allow it.
Espresso Quality: Good, but Not Excellent
How do the Ligre Youn's espresso results perform in the cup? In our tastings, the machine consistently produced solid to good espressos. Thanks to temperature and volume control, extractions were reproducible and balanced (offset-corrected temperature). Many shots also appealed to us in terms of taste – especially when using the least intrusive Mellow Morning profile.
However, there was no espresso that truly stood out or fully exploited the aromatic potential we know from the beans used. This is where the restrictive brewing profiles limit the possibilities. The Youn shows hints of its potential, but cannot fully unleash it with the current programming. Experienced users who enjoy experimenting with pre-infusion, pressure profiling, and flow rate are likely to be frustrated, as they cannot freely adjust these parameters. Instead, they have to work with the predetermined (suboptimal) profiles, which prevents top results. In short: The Ligre Youn delivers perfectly delicious espresso for everyday use – just not one that is memorable or gets the most out of a specialty roast.
Rating: 9 out of 15
Brewing Tips for the Ligre Youn
Due to the sluggish temperature development and slow start, you should aim for longer extractions with all brews. We found extractions of 32 to 35 seconds to be best for many coffees. We recommend medium roasts that inherently have a solid base and are very forgiving. From our range, you could try the Apas or Boton.
Milk Frothing Function
A highlight of the Youn – and a clear indication of which target group was also considered – is the automatic steam wand with an integrated frothing system. Ligre advertises ten different milk foam textures at the touch of a button, and indeed, you can set how much foam you want (from a rather liquid "Flat White" consistency to firm foam) and the target milk temperature via the menu. In Easy Mode, simply pressing the milk button is enough, and the machine froths independently to the programmed level. How does it work? The Youn has a temperature sensor and steam function. You place the milk jug with cold milk under the wand, press start – and you can practically watch as air is first blown in and then the milk is brought to temperature.
We were initially skeptical, but were pleasantly surprised: The automatic milk system delivers excellently good results. The microfoam is fine-pored and shiny, just as you want it for Latte Art
As mentioned, the consistency can be selected in advance; we mostly used level 5 or 6 (out of 10) for cappuccino and achieved an almost perfect result. Of course, you still have to practice pouring yourself, but with this function, the machine takes 90% of the work off your hands. Especially for beginners or households where not everyone is a barista, this is a great convenience. However, the test showed that really cold milk is a prerequisite – in Easy Mode, the machine also advises using chilled milk and will not start otherwise. If the milk is already lukewarm, the automatic program will not work. In Easy Mode, frothing takes about 60 seconds.
We were impressed and can praise: "Very, very good milk foam quality – there's really nothing we would wish for improvement."
Of course, the Youn also offers the option of frothing manually, and that was personally important to us. If one were fixated on the automatic system, we would have viewed that critically – because even if it works well, advanced users might occasionally want to do it themselves.
If you pull the milk frothing button instead of pressing it, you froth manually. In manual mode, the machine behaves like a compact dual boiler: You turn on the steam lever and froth by feel. The steam performance of the 1300W boiler is good, but not brute force. The Youn froths 200 ml of milk in perhaps 40 seconds – which is significantly slower than some dual boilers in the same price range, but still sufficient for home use.
Compared to other machines of this size, the Youn is in the lower mid-range for manual frothing. We like the "cool-touch" feature of the wand – it doesn't get hot on the outside, so you can touch it safely. Overall, we can say: whether cappuccino or flat white, the Youn delivers the milk performance you expect from a high-end machine – with the bonus that it almost works by itself if desired. It is a bit slow when frothing - at home, quality seems more important than speed to us.
Rating: 9 out of 10
Energy Consumption and Sustainability
In times of rising electricity costs and sustainability awareness, the energy consumption of a portafilter machine is certainly a factor. Ligre states that the Youn is particularly efficient and saves up to 50% energy compared to conventional machines.
We measured it: In espresso mode – i.e., when only the thermoblock is active – the Youn actually consumes surprisingly little. An espresso shot including the heating phase was roughly around 0.052 kWh for us. As a comparative value, we look at 5 double shots including heating: Here we end up at 0.088 kWh. Both values were measured with the steam boiler switched off.
This is a very good value, approximately the level of an efficient thermoblock machine. The fast heating time naturally plays a positive role here: Since nothing has to be heated for a long time, energy is saved. However, if you switch on the steam boiler (for milk drinks), consumption increases significantly. With the boiler, we were still in the green range in mixed operation, but no longer record-breaking – other (smaller) dual boilers in our tests achieved similar values.
Pure thermoblock systems or thick-film heaters are even more economical for longer operation. According to our measurements, the Youn in combined operation requires about three times as much electricity as a machine that works completely without a boiler. Why? A boiler must be constantly kept at temperature to be able to call up steam at any time. Thermoblocks or flow heaters only heat when needed and are therefore more efficient on average. This shows a conflict of objectives: If you want maximum steam power without waiting time, you could hardly avoid a boiler for a long time – that costs energy. Today's thick-film heaters can of course do this without further ado and also in seconds.
Ligre has chosen this classic compromise: performance over efficiency, at least as far as the milk system is concerned. To be fair, it must be said: In typical home use, the steam boiler is not constantly needed, and you can also switch the machine off in between or send it into Eco mode (the Youn has a standby function). Nevertheless, a point of criticism remains that a hybrid system cannot quite keep up with the most economical solutions in terms of energy here. For example, we would have found it exciting if Ligre had used a second thermoblock or a thick-film heater for the steam instead of a classic boiler. This would have further reduced electricity consumption.
At least: The Youn is produced in Europe under strict environmental regulations regarding materials and manufacturing. Durability was also a requirement – according to the manufacturer, each machine undergoes extensive lifetime tests.
This puts the point into perspective a bit, because what good is the most efficient machine if it has to be replaced after a few years. Here, we have confidence in the robust Ligre that it is built for many years of coffee enjoyment.
Rating: 8 out of 10
Design and Workmanship
Let's return to the external appearance of the Ligre Youn – because this machine attracts attention. As mentioned at the beginning, some visitors to our academy initially didn't even recognize it as an espresso machine. The Youn looks futuristic and minimalist: a flat, slightly angled front without visible brew group components, a small monochrome display, and otherwise only a slender cylinder (the brew head) and a straight steam arm protruding from the housing. No conspicuous rotary valves, no nostalgic pressure gauges – "away with the many levers and chrome bling of traditional machines," the design seems to say.
Instead, the Youn looks like a monolith of aluminum, exuding timeless elegance. We were immediately drawn to this look. It is boldly different yet high-quality.
You can tell that industrial designers were at work here, wanting to make a statement – and they succeeded. The material feel is also top-notch: The anodized aluminum feels good, nothing wobbles or rattles – except for one small thing, more on that in a moment. Overall, we can confirm what design juries have honored: The Youn is a feast for the eyes for any modern kitchen.
Where there is light, however, there is also some shadow. In everyday life, a few ergonomic and design flaws became apparent, which were noticeable despite all the love for the appearance. First: The machine has no adjustable feet. Since the front panel of our machine and grinder are not at the same angle, they do not form a seamless unit.
That's a shame, because especially when two such design-strong devices stand next to each other, you want them at exactly the same angle. We helped ourselves with shims.
Second: The placement of the grinder – or rather, the required footprint – is impractical. Machine and grinder next to each other require approx. 60 cm width. Due to their shallow depth, they look slim, but you need a wide counter. This becomes difficult in small kitchens. And as much as the machine with its shallow depth calls for it to stand under wall cabinets. It is quite high, and this means that if the cabinets are too low, the water tank can no longer be removed.
Honestly, we also notice this in some of Ligre's advertising images. It doesn't really look like the water tank could be removed there.
Third: a small processing dampener – the machine has its strengths at the front and not at the back. Not really problematic, but we noticed that the side and back panels rattle a bit when tapped and are not the equal of the high-quality front.
In terms of design and operation, we notice the high temperature of the massive brass portafilter holder. It does not seem to be insulated, or not well insulated. We measure more than 70 degrees and find it problematic primarily because the machine is otherwise so elegant and beautiful that you want to touch it. You definitely shouldn't do that with the portafilter holder and brew head.
Otherwise, there is little to complain about in terms of workmanship: The portafilter engages snugly (standard E61 bayonet with good resistance), the levers and buttons have a clear pressure point, and the drip tray is generously sized.
Conclusion and Evaluation of the Ligre Youn
The Ligre Youn is undoubtedly one of the most exciting new releases on the espresso machine market in recent years. It combines technical progress with aesthetic daring – and the result is a device that is both an eye-catcher and a powerful coffee tool. In our test, the Youn impressed us with its rapid readiness for use, precise volumetric dosing, and clever features such as the guide mode and automatic milk frothing function. A real highlight is the powerful milk frothing function, both automatic and semi-automatic.
As good as the machine's technical potential is, we are just as frustrated by the controls. The temperature offset with which the machine was delivered since its launch prevents market orientation and has certainly led to many a sour espresso at home.
The fixed programmed brewing profiles diminish the result in the cup. Despite high-quality hardware and precise control options, the Youn cannot fully unleash its potential as long as pre-infusion and pressure profiles are so restrictively preset and cannot be adjusted by the user.
The programmed brewing profiles make no sense to us from a brewing technical perspective. After measuring and recording the profiles, we contacted numerous colleagues from the coffee community and asked for support in interpreting them. This included, of course, especially users of Decent Espresso machines and Unicas. Nobody could understand the profiles and did not achieve satisfactory results when reproducing the curves with their machine.
So we conclude the test with very mixed feelings, and we want to sum it up in one sentence: technically, the Ligre Youn is potentially as good as its design is a statement - but in terms of programming and implementation, it frustrates us greatly in some places.
Can you make good espresso with the Ligre? Of course! Is the milk foam outstanding? Absolutely! But the Ligre does not live up to its own technical potential of being one of the best espresso machines. And that is tragic!
Excursion: Ligre Siji Grind By Weight
Our test of the Ligre Siji is already complete. However, since the manufacturer has announced even bigger, soon-to-be-released updates, we are still waiting to publish and will test the new Siji version. Here is some information for anyone considering buying the grinder.
The Ligre Siji is internally an Eureka Specialità, equipped with sophisticated weighing technology developed by Ligre. When the portafilter is inserted, the grinder first weighs or tares the portafilter and then quickly begins the grinding process.
It is very accurate in terms of grinding results. If you define a target quantity of 16 grams, these 16 grams will be reliably ground. With some coffees, a high static charge occurs. The problem with the current version is that the grinder can fill the portafilter with barely more than 16 grams without some of the coffee being lost when the portafilter is removed. To ensure the coffee falls cleanly into the portafilter, a dosing ring is necessary for many coffees. The grinder's control is intuitive and good.
Many other parameters of the grinder are determined by the grinder body of the Eureka Specialità.
Transparency Note
We purchased the Ligre Youn and Siji with a dealer discount and received a second Youn on loan to rule out an obvious defect in the second model (leaky water tank in our first Youn) and also to verify our offset measurements on a second machine.
When we encounter results that we consider problematic during a machine test, we give manufacturers the opportunity to comment. This also happened with the Ligre. However, a novelty was that we explained some of our findings in more detail and engaged in an exchange with the manufacturer. Our willingness to do so was certainly due to the fact that, on the one hand, we had good discussions with Ligre representatives at trade fairs, and on the other hand, the explanatory discussions at the beginning of the test were transparent and the machine's peculiarities were openly explained to us. We were also open to giving feedback because we estimate the potential of the Ligre to be higher than that of the machine currently on our test bench.
However, the follow-up discussions were not inclined to change our impression of the machine and its potential, rather the opposite. A change in the temperature setting was announced to us. We hope to be able to inform you soon from which serial number this will be implemented.
The published video was not influenced by the discussions with Ligre, as it was recorded beforehand. Ligre has started to change individual aspects of its online presentation of the machine based on the insights gained from the exchange, which irritated us.
As a consequence of this exchange process, we will no longer engage in discussions with manufacturers in the future and will no longer share detailed findings and parts of our test results. We will, of course, continue to provide space for comments, without disclosing details of the results from our side.
Our goal remains to create real added value for the coffee community through transparent and comprehensible tests and to accompany the further development of products through fair, well-founded criticism. We look forward to future machines that show how technology and user needs can be better aligned.
